Saturday, June 8, 2013

Greece updates - June 8 , 2013 - PM Samaras faces tough talk with both Troika and his Coalition.....Labor Ministry discloses Greek pension data ......Greek GDP drops to Year 2000 levels .....



Greece updates - June 8 , 2013..... First my last post on Greece .....


http://fredw-catharsisours.blogspot.com/2013/06/greece-slides-into-fourth-world-zero.html


Items of the day.......


http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_08/06/2013_503433

PM faces tough talks on two fronts as troika returns

Prime Minister Antonis Samaras faces tough negotiations on two fronts this week as troika mission chiefs return to Athens on Tuesday for a new audit as his coalition partners press for changes within the shaky administration.
Ahead of Tuesday's scheduled arrival of the troika envoys, Samaras will have the chance to catch up with Luxembourg Prime Minister and former Eurogroup chief Jean-Claude Juncker who is due in Athens today for a two-day visit. Juncker, who described Samaras as “a brother” in comments to the German Stock Exchange’s news website last week, and hailed the Greek premier for doing an “excellent job” with reforms, condemned the European Commission for its forecasts on the Greek crisis over the weekend, noting that they had “no link with reality.”
His comments came amid speculation fueled by an International Monetary Fund report admitting to serious errors in Greece’s first foreign bailout, signed in 2010 by then Prime Minister George Papandreou.
In comments to Skai over the weekend, Greece’s former representative to the IMF, Panayiotis Roumeliotis, blamed Papandreou’s administration for failing to demand a haircut on Greece’s huge debt from the outset. “The Europeans were unbelievably slow in taking decisions but we did not rise to the occasion either; we did not seek a reduction of Greece’s debt,” he said.
According to sources in Athens and Brussels alike, the IMF’s report is less of a “mea culpa” than an attempt to put pressure on eurozone leaders to accept a haircut on loans to Greece.
The prospects for a haircut are not officially on the agenda of talks between Finance Minister Yannis Stournaras and troika envoys. The talks are expected to focus on progress in reform efforts – chiefly the streamlining of the civil service and an overhaul of the tax system – as well as an anticipated funding gap of 4.6 billion euros for 2014 and what measures will be taken to plug it.
Alongside the troika talks, Samaras is expected to meet with his coalition partners who are likely to press for changes to the administration’s policy program. The prospects for a reshuffle are likely to be discussed, though Samaras is reportedly keen to put off changes until the fall as ministers still have reforms to push through.


http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2013/06/07/labour-ministry-33-of-greek-pensioners-get-e360-gross-another-33-gets-e675/


Labour Ministry: 33% of Greek pensioners get €360 gross, another 33% gets €675

Posted by  in Society
for the first time since the country sought the ‘economic rescue’ by the IMF, Greek Labor Ministry published a full record of the number of pensioners and pensions distribution. The data has been collected for 93 social insurance funds. For the vast majority of Greece’s seniors the pension is very low, with 33.1% to receive 371.64 euro. Another 33% of pensioners receives an average of 675 euro gross per month. Only 700 people received more than 2,500 euro main pension. According to the ministry, the average retirement income derived from the aggregation of main and  supplementary pension and benefits doe snot exceed 907.65 euro, before taxes and deductions for healthcare.
The total number of pensioners is 2,714,034 people (stand: June 2013)
A total of 4,407,288 pensions were paid out, from them 2,884,347 were main and 1,517,411 were supplementary.
The total amount paid by the social insurance funds amounted to EUR 2,281,747,514,08.
29% of the total pensions are due to retirement according to age and the average is 1,224 euro gross per month.
Full list of pension distribution here
BTW: the usual mean Greek internet users do not believe that those earning 2,500E a month are just 700 people. But they are mean and critical as usual and suffer from a hyperactive memory: they claim that former PM and presidents earn much more, they claim some data is missing like for retired MPs who get pension after 2 legislative periods. but they are just mean and jealous…
PS I must live on the wrong planet or in another space oddity, as the majority of pensioners aged 80+ I know, they received no more than 650 euro, after 35-40 years of work. Of course, they get taxed. Of course, they have deductions for healthcare after the unification of funds to National Healthcare system EOPYY. Of course, they have to pay every month more and more money for in healthcare contributions. You think, they live outside Greece?










http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-08/greek-gdp-plunges-year-2000-levels



Greek GDP Plunges To Year 2000 Levels

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That things in Greece are hopeless and getting worse is an understatement. Withunemployment levels off the charts, the pension and retirement systems effectively gone and every able-bodied individual (what little remains of them) moving to the shadow economy which now accounts for 24% of GDP, there are few incentives for people to remain on payrolls, pay taxes and otherwise grow the economy via conventional channels. As a result, instead of an improvement in the economy despite all Greek foreign debt now having been forgiven courtesy of its recent conversion to perpetual Zero Coupons, not even during the depths of the recent economic collapse in late 2011 and early 2012 has the economic collapse been as badKathimerini reports that figures released by ELSTAT on Friday showed GDP at 37.7 billion euros in the period from January to March 2013 – the lowest quarterly GDP since 2000.
Remember how everyone said Q1 2012 is the bottom and there was only upside from there? They lied.
ELSTAT recorded an 8.3 percent drop in consumption in the first quarter from the same period in 2012, with private consumption falling 8.7 percent and state consumption sliding 7 percent. Total consumption declined from 38.5 billion euros in January-March 2012 to 35.3 billion euros in the same period this year.

Investment contracted by 11.4 percent year-on-year, amounting to 5.1 billion euros in Q1 this year against 5.7 billion euros last year. Notably, in the last quarter of 2012 investment came to 5.9 billion euros.

Imports decreased 7.8 percent in the first quarter of the year, dropping to 11.2 billion euros from 12.1 billion in the same quarter in 2012. Exports declined by 2.6 percent on an annual basis: They shrank from 8.6 billion euros in Q1 of last year to 8.4 billion this year.
Naturally, this means that Greece will be in non-compliance with the Troika terms once again, and yet another bailout of Greece is imminent.
For this year, the memorandum signed by Athens and its international creditors provides for an economic contraction of 4.2 percent, while the Finance Ministry expects it to be 4.5 percent and a recent report by the International Monetary Fund puts the figure at 4.9 percent.
But while until now the peace in the tormented nation has been preserved courtesy of that perpetual Bismarckian fallback dangling carrot, the welfare state and the threat of yanked pensions, soon there will be no such"opportunity cost" to revolution left.
Separately, the average monthly pension in Greece has dropped below 700 euros per month as a result of the various cuts imposed over the last few years.

Using data from the recently introduced Helios system for the monitoring and payment of pensions, it appears that the state pays over 4.4 million pensions, most through the Social Security Foundation (IKA), and the average pension amounts to 694.56 euros per month.

In total the state will pay 2.3 billion euros for main and auxiliary pensions this month.

Labor Minister Yiannis Vroutsis said on Friday that the new system “is for the first time shedding some light on the dark and gray areas of the social security system, securing absolute transparency.” This became possible after identifying the pensioners of all 93 social security funds and pension sections and confirming analytical data, and after the completion of a census of all pensioners.
Schauble warned two weeks ago that when the pension system is tapped dry, what follows next, is revolution. He was right.
Finally, for those who missed it, here is thephoto study documenting the Greek slide into the "fourth world."

40-year-old Yiorgos, who became homeless in 2010 after his grocery shop went out of business, sleeps outdoors in central Athens February 3, 2013.

42-year-old Alexandros, from Serres in northern Greece, sits in the abandoned car he lives in, at the port of Piareus near Athens April 10, 2013. Alexandros owned a plant shop in Athens until 2010, when it was forced to close, he became homeless soon after.

Homeless people sleep outdoors in central Athens April 14, 2013.

A homeless scrap collector sleeps outside in central Athens May 26, 2013.

Stephanos became homeless in late 2012 when the clothes shop, where he had worked for over a decade, closed down and he had no income to pay for his flat. He now lives next to a church in central Athens and eats in soup kitchens. Stephanos smokes a cigarette as he sits on a rug in central Athens May 16, 2013.

36-year-old unemployed clerk Michael sits in the sun near a bridge in central Athens May 24, 2013. Michael worked as a hotel clerk for over fifteen years but when the hotel closed he was unable to find work and in late 2011 became homeless, two months later he was diagnosed with lymph node and thyroid cancer. He now lives outside a church.

51-year-old Romanian truck driver Adrian, who lost his job in 2010 when the lorry company he was working for closed down, sits with his head in his hands in central Athens January 18, 2013. Adrian survives by collecting scrap and lives in an abandoned warehouse in Athens central vegetable market.

50-year-old Giorgos sits with his belongings under a bridge, where he lives with a group of other homeless people, in central Athens May 25, 2013. Giorgos was forced to close down the billiard hall he owned in 2006, and spent time in prison for not paying his social security debts.

35-year-old Vassilis, who has been treated for severe physiological issues, sits in the afternoon sun under the bridge where he has lived for the last year and half in central Athens May 25, 2013.

58-year-old Matheos stands next to the makeshift shelter where he has lived since late 2011, on a hill in central Athens January 23, 2013.

56-year-old Boris Potev, a Bulgarian immigrant, lies on a mattress amid garbage in an Athens suburb April 9, 2013.

Michael, a 36-year-old unemployed man, poses by an abandoned open-air cinema in central Athens February 8, 2013. Michael worked as a hotel clerk for over fifteen years but when the hotel closed he was unable to find work and in late 2011 became homeless. Two months later he was diagnosed with lymph node and thyroid cancer. He now lives outside a church.

Marialena, a former drug addict who is on a methadone rehabilitation program, pushes away her boyfriend Dimitrios who is trying to clean up her self-inflicted wounds, under a bridge in central Athens May 15, 2013.

42-year-old Marialena, a homeless AIDS sufferer and former drug addict who is on a methadone rehabilitation program, drinks coffee after waking up next to her boyfriend Dimitrios in central Athens May 26, 2013. Dimitrios, 51, was a dancer in a famous Greek folk dancing troupe until he lost his job three years ago and became homeless.

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