Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Chris Dorner hold hostages in Big Bear Cabin , two law enforcement officers wounded - may have held the couple in the Cabin for days.before today's event of confrontation....Did Chris Dorner have help by a presently unidentified JY ?

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/cnn-body-found-in-cabin-not-dorner-2564218.html

( Did Chris Dorner use an escape tunnel ? Why no ID on the body in the cabin so far ? Why the three Dorner wallets and ID ( one near Mexico , one in San Diego , one at the cabin fire scene ? )


CNN: Body Found In Cabin NOT Dorner?
Wednesday, February 13, 2013 16:23
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There are also rumors that people heard on the police scanner something about an escape tunnel.  This I have yet to confirm but am working on getting the actual scanner conversastion of it.  This is a HUGE development.  Christopher Dorner, anti-hero, may yet be alive.. STAY TUNED!  







http://www.infowars.com/how-many-wallets-with-id-cards-in-them-did-dorner-own/
( So mystery man Chris dorner somehow managed to lose three walets all with his ID in them ? Including one which must have beed made of asbestos as it surived a raging fire which consumed someone's corpse ! fishy , fishy , fishy..... )


How many wallets with ID cards in them did Dorner own?

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February 13, 2013

Did Dorner shop at the fire-retardant wallet store?
Just like the suspected 9/11 terrorist’s explosion-proof passport that was found magically intact amid the ground zero rubble, the mainstream media is now reporting that suspected cop killer Christopher Dorner’s wallet and identification card were found beside charred remains in the burned out Big Bear cabin where police cornered him yesterday.
Citing the Associated Press, USA Today reports:
“A wallet with a California driver’s license bearing the name Christopher Dorner also was found, the Associated Press reported, citing a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation but declined to be named because of the ongoing probe.”
The Guardian actually began an article titled “Christopher Dorner’s wallet found inside burned cabin, reports say” with:
“Investigators have reportedly found Christopher Dorner’s wallet beside charred human remains at the forest cabin where he made a last stand, giving California police some peace of mind as they prepared to bury their dead.”
The Washington Times notes a wallet and other personal items were found in the cabin which burned down after an intense, hours-long fire:


“One official with knowledge of the police investigation who spoke on condition of anonymity said investigators found a California driver’s license with the name Christopher Dorner on it, along with a wallet and various personal items, inside the cabin, according to The Associated Press.”
Questions regarding what type of flame-retardant material Dorner’s wallet must have been made of to withstand a fire that charred at least one person and consumed a whole cabin will be set aside for now for another blaring question:
How many wallets with ID cards in them did Dorner own exactly?
Multiple mainstream outlets have previously reported that Dorner’s wallet and identification had already been found near the U.S.-Mexico border.
On February 11, the LA Times reported:
“After authorities interviewed the boat captain early Thursday, they found Dorner’s wallet and identification cards ‘at the San Ysidro Point of Entry’ near the U.S.-Mexico border.”
Fox News parroted the LA Times on that. According to this NBC article from yesterday, the wallet’s discovery was part of a criminal complaint in regard to allegations that Dorner tried to steal a boat and escape:
“The possibility that Dorner might have fled to Mexico arose in a criminal complaint filed in Feb. 7 in California’s Central District Court. Early that morning, a San Diego boat captain said, Dorner had tried to steal his boat to flee south across the border, according to the complaint. Dorner’s wallet and identification cards were found near the border with Mexico, according to the complaint.”
“An investigator working the case said that a wallet and identification cards belonging to Dorner were recovered last week at the San Ysidro Port of Entry, according to a federal complaint filed Thursday in Santa Ana.”

As if that wasn’t strange enough, the same UT San Diego report goes on to mention that before Dorner’s wallet and ID cards being found at the U.S.-Mexico border, an earlier report from authorities claimed his wallet and ID had already been found in the middle of a San Diego street:
“That contradicts with what authorities said on Thursday, when it was reported that a shuttle bus driver turned over Dorner’s wallet, LAPD police badge and photo ID to San Diego police after a passer-by found them near Lindbergh Field. San Diego Police Chief Bill Lansdowne said Tuesday that the items were found in the middle of Pacific Highway and Laurel Street.”
So again: how many wallets, complete with ID cards, did Dorner own? How often do people own multiple wallet sets complete with duplicate ID cards?
Not to disrespect the fallen, but in his manifesto, Dorner vowed he would use all of his police and military training to “bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare” to the LAPD. The ex-LAPD cop was reportedly able to kill three people including a police officer and evade a wide scale law enforcement manhunt for days. Through all the strategy and planning his infamous acts entailed, for whatever reason Dorner decided it would be wise to go on an elaborate shooting spree but take up valuable space that could have been used to carry more guns and ammo with…multiple wallets and ID cards?





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http://www.infowars.com/lapd-audio-from-dorner-siege-burn-this-motherfucker/


LAPD Audio From Dorner Siege: “Burn This Motherfucker”

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“Alright, we’re gonna go ahead with the plan with the burners”
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February 13, 2013
Police audio from the Christopher Dorner siege reveals a deliberate plan to burn down the cabin in which Dorner was trapped, with one LAPD officer heard to say, “fucking burn this motherfucker,” before police discussed their intention to, “go ahead with the plan with the burners.”
The audio was captured on police scanners as well as being picked up by a local news broadcast.
“Alright, we’re gonna go ahead with the plan with the burners,” one officer says.
“Copy,” replies another.
“Like we talked about,” the first officer responds.
“The burners are deployed, and we have a fire,” says another officer moments later, before the police dispatcher repeats the statement.
Within minutes of the fire starting, police note that the cabin is “starting to collapse.”
Police are also heard discussing if they are ready to “bring fire”.
“Burners” is police slang for tear gas canisters, which are known to cause fires.
In a separate clip carried by a local news channel, police are heard to say, “Fucking burn this motherfucker,”  and “burn that fucking house down.” This audio appears to be from earlier in the siege following the initial shootout between Dorner and cops.
The fact that police would burn down the cabin in which Dorner was trapped, in a similar fashion to how the infamous Waco siege ended in 1993, was predicted ahead of time in a video Alex Jones made hours beforehand. I made the same prediction in a Facebook post before reports even emerged that the cabin was on fire.
Given the ammunition inside the cabin, LAPD officers knew that the tear gas would lead to a fire and instead of waiting it out, chose instead to carry out a summary execution. That’s not to excuse the actions of Dorner, but the fact that police now view burning people to death as a reasonable way to apprehend a suspect is shocking.
As Mike Adams writes today, “If the LAPD is going to abandon its mission of public safety and function as an armed vigilante justice squad, dishing out death sentences to those it believes are guilty — without a trial or anything resembling due process — then they might as well throw away all their badges as just call themselves the LA Gang Squad. Because that’s how they’re acting.”

A spokeswoman for the San Bernardino county sheriff’s office said that Dorner’s charred remains were found inside the cabin, but the LAPD still refuses to confirm that a body has been discovered.
The quotes by cops screaming to burn the cabin down from earlier in the siege can be heard in the news report below.













http://www.businessinsider.com/christopher-dorner-possibly-found-2013-2


LIVE: Cabin Where Ex-Cop Is Cornered Is 'Completely Engulfed In Flames'

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CBS Los Angeles
The cabin where alleged cop killer Christopher Dorner is cornered is totally engulfed in flames, CBS Los Angeles is reporting, citing a reporter whose eyes were on the scene.
"We don't know exactly what started this fire," the reporter said. But he added, "The flames are growing very quickly."
"Everybody is just standing with their guns drawn as this cabin burns," the reporter added.
Dorner, who allegedly killed a police officer and two civilians, began engaging in a shootout Tuesday after he broke into a couple's home, tied them up, and held them hostage for days, the LA Times reported. One member of the couple escaped and alerted authorities, CBS reported.
The man holed up in that cabin about 100 miles northeast of Los Angeles is most likely Dorner, the LAPD confirmed in a press conference at 3 p.m. local time Tuesday.


Before the fire broke out, CBS reported that police were firing tear gas into the cabin.

CBS also reported that one of the two San Bernandino deputies allegedly hit by Dorner during the shootout died in the hospital. Local authorities later confirmed one deputy had died.

Candy Martin turned on the news today and was alarmed to see an empty cabin she owns surrounded by police, the LA Times reported.
"It's quite shocking," Martin told the LA Times. "I mean, it's good and bad news. If it's him, I hope they catch him and this horrible thing is put to rest. At the same time, who wants this happening on their property?"
SWAT teams are swarming the Angelus Oaks area near Big Bear, Calif. and stopping every vehicle as Dorner remains cornered in a cabin, according to CBS Los Angeles.
"Enough is enough," LAPD Commander Andrew Smith said in the press conference broadcast by CBS. "It's time to turn yourself in. It's time to stop the bloodshed."
Smith said authorities believe Dorner may have a TV in the cabin, and authorities have asked the media not to tweet sensitive information about the standoff.
Police spotted Dorner in a white pickup truck, which he crashed before fleeing into a cabin not owned by the couple whom he held hostage, according to the LA Times.
CBS Los Angeles reported earlier today that two deputies were hit during the shootout. Dorner fired out of the cabin, injuring one deputy, and then set a smoke bomb and opened fire again, injuring the second officer, the LA Times reported. It's not clear which deputy died in the hospital.
He's been on the run since allegedly killing the daughter of a former LAPD captain and her fiance in addition to one police officer last week. In a creepy manifesto, Dorner told the world he was waging war on the LAPD, which fired him back in 2009.
A CBS reporter said around 1 p.m. local time there was active gunfire, and that reporters were ducking for cover. "Everybody is on high alert, including us," a CBS reporter said.

The cabin where Dorner was hiding out was in a "remote, campground area" out in the Santa Ana River Trail about 20 miles away from Big Bear City, CBS reported. Authorities have completely surrounded the cabin, according to CBS.
After offering a huge reward for Dorner's capture, authorities received more than 1,000 tips about where Dorner was hiding out, according to the LA Times.
A criminal complaint against Dorner suggested he fled to Mexico, revealing his wallet was found near the U.S./Mexico border.
This is a developing story. Stay tuned for updates.
This news video can give you an idea of the chaos surrounding the shootout:



and......

http://documents.latimes.com/us-marshal-dorner-may-have-fled-mexico/


U.S. Marshal: Dorner may have fled to Mexico

Re­cords provide new de­tails on the al­leged ac­tions of Chris­toph­er Jordan Dorner, 33, who is sus­pec­ted of killing three people, in­clud­ing a po­lice of­ficer, and has eluded au­thor­it­ies since the night of Feb. 6 when he was pub­licly named as the sus­pect in the slay­ing of an Irvine couple.
Dorner may have been helped by an as­so­ci­ate iden­ti­fied only as “JY” in the char­ging doc­u­ment that was filed in U.S. Dis­trict Court in Los Angeles after the former po­lice of­ficer was sus­pec­ted of flee­ing from au­thor­it­ies.


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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-cabin-couple-hostage.html

Before the shootout, Christopher Dorner allegedly broke into a cabin days ago in the San Bernardino Mountains, tied up the couple inside and held them hostage until he left Tuesday morning, a source said.
Then Dorner was allegedly spotted by state Fish and Wildlife officers in a white pickup truck, the source said. When they attempted to stop him, Dorner crashed the truck during a chase and exchanged gunfire with the officers as he fled into another cabin, where he was quickly surrounded by San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputies, the source said.
Dorner is now surrounded by police inside a Big Bear area cabin after allegedly getting into a gun battle that left two San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputies wounded.
The source said one deputy was hit as Dorner fired out of the cabin and a second was injured when Dorner exited the back of the cabin, deployed a smoke bomb and opened fire again in an apparent attempt to flee. Dorner was driven back inside the cabin, the source said.
The extent of the deputies’ injuries was unknown. There was initial confusion about where a helicopter should land to evacuate the injured officers. Deputies used their own smoke bombs to provide enough cover to carry the wounded to a waiting pickup truck that took them to the waiting helicopter.
Officers have crisscrossed California for days pursuing the more than 1,000 tips that poured in about Dorner's possible whereabouts — including efforts in Tijuana, Mexico, San Diego County and Big Bear — and serving warrants at homes in Las Vegas and Point Loma.
Statewide alerts were issued in California and Nevada, and border authorities were alerted. The Transportation Security Administration also had issued an alert urging pilots and other aircraft operators to keep an eye out for Dorner.

The search turned to Big Bear last week after Dorner's burning truck was found on a local forest road.
At the search's height, more than 200 officers scoured the mountain, conducting cabin-by-cabin checks. It was scaled back Sunday — about 30 officers were out in the field Tuesday, the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department said.
Dorner allegedly threatened "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" against police in a lengthy manifesto that authorities say he posted on Facebook. The posting named dozens of potential targets, including police officers, whom Dorner allegedly threatened to attack, according to authorities.
Records state that the manifesto was discovered by authorities Wednesday, three days after the slaying of an Irvine couple: Monica Quan, a Cal State Fullerton assistant basketball coach, and her fiance, Keith Lawrence, a USC public safety officer.
Quan was the daughter of a retired LAPD captain whom Dorner allegedly blamed in part for his firing from the force in 2009.
Federal documents also provide new details on Dorner's alleged attack against officers early Thursday in Riverside County.
The first shooting was in Corona after an eyewitness reported a person matching Dorner's description at a gas station, telling an LAPD officer "who was detailed to the area to protect one of the officials whom Dorner had threatened," according to the court records.
"When the officer drove by the gas station, the suspect exited his vehicle and fired an assault rifle at the officer, hitting the officer's vehicle," according to the court records.
The LAPD later said the officer received a grazing wound. 
About 30 minutes later, Dorner opened fire on Riverside police officers "who were in the area searching for Dorner," the documents said. On that detail, the account conflicts with a statement provided to the media by Riverside police officials, who said the officers were stopped at a red light and were not looking for Dorner.
Riverside Officer Michael Crain, 34, a married father of two who served two tours in Kuwait as a rifleman in the Marines, was killed in the attack. His partner remains hospitalized, Police Chief Sergio Diaz said, and it was unclear if he would be able to return to active duty.
Dorner was charged Monday with one count of murder, with special-circumstance allegations in the killing of a peace officer and the discharge of a firearm from a vehicle, in connection with Crain's death. He faces three additional charges of attempted murder.
Riverside Dist. Atty. Paul Zellerbach said because of the special-circumstance allegations, Dorner could be eligible for the death penalty if convicted.
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http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/12/authorities-responding-to-big-bear-home-on-report-of-hostage-situation-unknown-if-connected-to-dorner/

BIG BEAR (CBSLA.com) — LAPD Cmdr. Andy Smith Tuesday urged triple-murder suspect Christopher Dorner to turn himself in as a gun battle and barricade situation between the triple-murder suspect and authorities raged on in San Bernardino County.
“Enough is enough. It’s time to turn yourself in. End the bloodshed,” Smith said, adding that officials believe Dorner, who is holed up in a Seven Oaks cabin, may have access to television and other media outlets. He also requested that media helicopters pull out of the area.
The San Bernardino District Attorney’s Office also asked that reporters in the area to refrain from tweeting about the ongoing situation.


Two San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputies were injured during the shootout with Dorner, who is said to be heavily armed. He reportedly broke into a couple’s home and tied them up — possibly days ago — before stealing their vehicle and fleeing the scene Tuesday afternoon.
He was spotted by authorities around 1:30 p.m. and repeated gunshots were exchanged on Glass Road. Dorner then fled into a forested area and barricaded himself in a cabin.
Officials requested an armored vehicle to help remove the injured deputies from the scene and a SWAT team was also called in to set up a perimeter around the area. KCAL9′s Carter Evans, who was reporting nearby, is safe despite loud gunfire that could be heard during his live report.
The earlier incident at a home in the 1200 block of Club View Road, which is located near Highway 38 and Glass Road, was reported at 12:22 p.m. One of the victims was able to escape and alert authorities, who later recovered a rifle and possibly a can of gas.
“The reporting party said the suspect took their vehicle and described the suspect as looking very similar to Dorner,” a Sheriff’s Public Affairs spokesperson said in a statement.
Dorner was then spotted driving a 2008 four-door, white Dodge 4X4 truck, which is registered to nearby Camp Tahquitz.
Highway 38, as well as all roads in and out of Big Bear, have been shut down.
Bear Valley Unified School District confirms all four of its schools — Big Bear High School, Chautauqua High School, Baldwin Lane Elementary School and Fallsvale Elementary School — have been locked down.
The two injured officers were airlifted to Loma Linda University Medical Center with unknown injuries.
Authorities had recently reduced the number of law enforcement officers patrolling the Big Bear area from several hundred to just 30.
Dorner, 33, is accused in the revenge killings of 28-year-old Monica Quan and her 27-year-old fiancé, Keith Lawrence, in Irvine on Feb. 3.
He was employed as a Los Angeles police officer from 2005 to 2008, when he was fired for making false allegations against a fellow officer. Quan’s father, a former LAPD Captain, represented Dorner in the hearing that ultimately lead to his dismissal from the force. Dorner was named as a suspect in the deaths of Quan and Lawrence on Feb. 6.
He’s also wanted in the ambush murder of Riverside police officer Michael Crain, who was shot to death in his patrol car on Feb. 7. Crain’s partner was also critically injured.
Dorner’s burned out truck was found near Bear Mountain later that day.


and did Chris Dorner have help ? Who might JY be - former LAPD , a groupie , or just a mistaken factoid in the fog of the current event

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wanted-man-christopher-dorner-helped-by-jy-and-could-be-in-mexico/story-e6frf7jo-1226576329468


Wanted man Christopher Dorner helped by ‘JY' and could be in Mexico

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  • February 12, 2013 3:32PM


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FUGITIVE CHRISTOPHER DORNER, A FORMER LOS ANGELES OFFICER, HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THE KILLING OF A POLICE OFFICER. AP
  • Fear former cop Christopher Dorner may have fled to Mexico
  • About 50 LAPD police and families remain under protection
  • AMERICA'S most wanted man, former police officer Christopher Dorner who allegedly killed three people, police fear may have fled to Mexico.
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    Christopher Dorner, 33, a former Los Angeles police officer and naval reservist, has been on the run for five days after allegedly threatening on Facebook "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" on Los Angeles Police.
    Doran today has been charged with the murder of police officer Michael Crain, one of the three people he allegedly killed. Dorner has also been charged with three counts of attempted murder, for allegedly shooting at three other police officers, said Paul Zellerbach, district attorney for Riverside County, east of Los Angeles.
    The Los Angeles Times reported that in court documents Los Angeles Police state that Dorner could have fled to Mexico. He is also believed to have been helped by an associate identified only as "JY" in the charging document that was filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, the documents state.
    A US Marshal said investigators with the Marine Corps and San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department were conducting a surveillance operation of an Arrow Bear property owned by a family member of the associate and discovered a vehicle nearby that matched the gray Nissan pickup truck used by Dorner.
    Authorities fear that Dorner may be capable of flying a plane, CBS reported. A warning has been issued by Los Angeles Police to airports and the aviation industry in general to be on the lookout for him, in the fear he has learned flying skills in the navy. Securing unattended aircraft, checking passengers and cargo, and keeping an eye out for unknown pilots or personnel has been recommended.
    About 50 LAPD officers and their families are under protection at their homes amid fears Dorner would come out of hiding to target them.

    Police have continued searching cabins in remote areas of Big Bear, a snowy mountain resort north of Los Angeles, which has been the focus of the initial dragnet, as officers elsewhere chased up reported sightings. Authorities declined to confirm whether drones were being used.

    LA mayor Antonio Villaraigosa yesterday announced a $1m reward for information leading to Dorner's capture, saying: "We will not tolerate this reign of terror." More than 600 tips had poured into the hotline.

    Security was also increased at yesterday night's Grammy Awards in case Dorner, who is believed to be heavily armed, targeted the ceremony. The awards ceremony passed off peacefully.

    One of the three victims was Monica Quan, 28, whose father Randal Quan, a retired police captain, represented Dorner at a tribunal when he was sacked from the the LAPD five years ago.
    Captain Quan subsequently received a taunting phone call about the death of his daughter, and police are investigating whether it was Dorner who made it.

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